More adventure game BETA Testers wanted!

[melchett]

Redoing from the start, I found by trial and error what I was missing and <rot13>sbhaq gur phovpyr

Unira'g sbhaq n jnl gb xvyy jbyss lrg - abg gung V unir znal bcgvbaf yrsg. Gubhtug gur fpnycry zvtug qb vg ohg ur fubbgf zr, qnzzvg

</rot13>

[leenew]

I don't know what you have done here!
Could you post a walkthrough?

I may have found the problem but I am unsure at this point!

Lee.

[leenew]

I have updated to rc7.
I am unsure what you did, but whatever it was, you weren't supposed to do it!
Hopefully rc7 traps some more "stuff"...

Lee.

[melchett]

I tried this morning - will figure it out but struggling to recreate it on RC6 again (it definitely was on RC6). I'll try again once some caffeine hits my veins.

Some feedback on the ending if I may...
<rot13>
V bayl svtherq bhg ubj gb trg cnfg Jbyss ol nppvqrag jura cynlvat guebhtu guvf zbeavat. V npghnyyl sbetbg gb cerff gur ohggba ba gur pbafbyr orsber pbasebgvat Jbyss naq gura V pbhyq pbzcyrgr vg.

Vg frrzf vyybtvpny orpnhfr vs lbh cynl vg guebhtu ybtvpnyyl, lbh svaq gur pbafbyr, cerff n ohggba naq gura tb naq frr Jbyss - ur vf natel ertneqyrff bs vs vs lbh uvg n ohggba be abg. OHG vs lbh guebj gur fpnycry ng uvz, vs lbh unira'g cerffrq n ohggba lbh trg evq bs uvz ohg va nyy bgure pvephzfgnaprf va gur tnzr vapyhqvat jura lbh unir cerff n fpranevb ohggba, ur rinqrf gur fpnycry naq fubbgf lbh.

Qbrf ur arrq nabgure fgngr? Fnl veevgngrq? Engure guna natel? Gurer jnf ab pyhr gb or gung vg jbhyq or qvssrerag V thrff (znlor gur erfcbafr jura lbh gnyx gb uvz). V guvax gur fpnycry orunivbhe orvat qvssrerag guerj zr.

V thrff lbh qba'g xabj vg'f va na hajvaanoyr fgngr be jul vs lbh unir cerffrq n ohggba.
</rot13>

I have successfully completed it now - I like it a great deal, wonderful atmosphere throughout and I also liked how you signposted how to switch the torch on and off. I spent so much of my adventure playing childhood so frustrated trying out words for torches trying to guess the author's intent that that is so welcome. I also liked the red herrings, the objects you don't have to do anything with i.e. <rot13> wnpxrg naq purrfr fnaqjvpu </rot13>

[melchett]

Ah figured it out on RC6 (thank you caffeine).

<rot13>
Gval ebob-mryyvatre pna rkcnaq ohg lbh pna fgvyy vafreg uvz vagb gur pb-beqvangbe'f zbhgu (gur grkg fgvyy qrfpevorf uvz nf gval "lbh fghss gval ebob....". Gura vg arire rkcnaqf naq lbh pna'g cerff sver yvxr lbh pbhyq va rneyvre EPf. Fb lbh'er fghpx.
</rot13>

[melchett]

On RC7 I get "No room at line 1900" about half way through doing the following:

<rot13>
j,j,trg gbepu,trg pbng,jrne pbng,r,r,f,syhfu gbvyrg,rknz gvyrf,hc,yvtug gbepu,a,q,bss gbepu,rknz gnoyr,ernq qbffvre,rknz punvef,rknz wnpxrg,trg pneq,trg graare,trg pyvc,cerff ohggba,j,a,gnyx elqre,tvir graare,rknz ehpxfnpx,trg ung,jrne ung,trg znfx,jrne znfx,f,f,f,j,j,cvpx pnov,bcra pnov,qebc pyvc,trg qehtf,trg flev,svyy flev,trg sbep,qebc gbepu,r,r,a,a,j,gnyx pure,tvir sbep,r,a,trg cncref,f,f,f,j,fubj pneq,f
</rot13>

Previous version worked on standed BBC B with 8271 - will try with BBC Master.

[melchett]

You've fixed in RC7 the unwinnable state I created in RC6 - impossible to get into the state. <rot13>lbh pna'g vafreg ebob nalzber vs lbh near'g ubyqvat vg</rot13>

Starting to have more and more respect for adventure creators back in the 80s. Having to find and fix all of these obscure bugs when they didn't have the benefit of modern save states!

[melchett]

And if it helps to see how people use your adventure - here's a walkthrough mostly optimised

<rot13>
j,j,trg gbepu,trg pbng,jrne pbng,r,r,f,syhfu gbvyrg,rknz gvyrf,hc,yvtug gbepu,a,q,bss gbepu,rknz gnoyr,ernq qbffvre,rknz punvef,rknz wnpxrg,trg pneq,trg graare,trg pyvc,cerff ohggba,j,a,gnyx elqre,tvir graare,rknz ehpxfnpx,trg ung,jrne ung,trg znfx,jrne znfx,f,f,f,j,j,cvpx pnov,bcra pnov,qebc pyvc,trg qehtf,trg flev,svyy flev,trg sbep,qebc gbepu,r,r,a,a,j,gnyx pure,tvir sbep,r,a,trg cncref,f,f,f,j,fubj pneq,f,gnyx jbyss,fubj cncref,f,j,qebc znfx,qebc ung,qebc pbng,trg erzbgr,cerff sbyybj,r,cerff gnetrg,fubj abgvpr,cerff sver,cerff sbyybj,f,cerff cnex,a,cerff npgvingr,f,trg ebob,a,a,a,j,trg gbepu,trg fpnycry,r,r,f,h,yvtug gbepu,a,q,bss gbepu,cerff ohggba,j,j,qebc ebob,cerff gnetrg,fubj qbbe,cerff sver,trg ebob,j,gnyx pure,vawrpg pure,erzbir ghorf,vafreg ebob,jnvg,r,r,f,f,j,fubj pneq,f,f,r,r,guebj fpnycry,j,rknz pbafbyr,cerff puneyvr,r,ragre phovpyr
</rot13>

Thanks again Lee - looking forward to the next chapter!

[leenew]

Thanks Melchett,
There's a lot to go through here!
Firstly, the only file that will complete at the moment is "B" which you need to be in MASTER mode with Co-Pro which sets PAGE=&0800.
Lurkio is using his skillz to crunch the code down.
He is doing this a little at a time, as every time he alters something, it makes it harder for me to read he code fluently.
Once it is complete, and as bug free as possible, it WILL run on a standard beeb.

Right, now onto your comments on the game:

1. The unwinnable states:
Lrf, gur reebe jnf orvat noyr gb vafreg EbobM jura lbh jrera'g ubyqvat uvz.
Jura ur vf OVT lbh fubhyqa'g or noyr gb pneel uvz.
Guvf vf abj svkrq fb V oryvrir lbh fubhyqa'g or noyr gb trg vagb na hajvaanoyr fgngr.
Gurer NER fbzr jnlf gb trg vagb na hajvaanoyr fgngr.
Gurfr unir orra genccrq.
Vs lbh fuevax gur pyrnenapr pneq, gur pnzren pna'g sbphf ba vg fb lbh pna'g npprff gur yno.
Vs EbobM rkcnaqf naq gur Pb-beqvangbe vf fgvyy nyvir, lbh pnaabg jva.
Obgu bs gurfr fgngrf unir orra genccrq.
Vs lbh ragre bar bs gurfr fgngrf lbh jvyy or qenttrq bss ol n thneq va n srj zbirf.

2. The difficulty finding the end-game rooms:
V jnf n yvggyr fhecevfrq lbh unq qvssvphygl svaqvat gur phovpyr ebbz.
Vs lbh ernq gur ebbz qrfpevcgvba vg fnlf "Lbh fzryy serfu cnvag."
Gurer vf n abgvprobneq ba gur jnyy gung ernqf "Nyy npprff gb FVTZN pbageby vf abj oybpxrq."
V gubhtug gung gubfr 2 pyhrf jrer rabhtu gb fvtany gung gur ebbz unq orra oybpxrq bss fbzrubj.
N qbbejnl oybpxrq hc naq cnvagrq bire znlor?

Qb lbh guvax V fubhyq nqq na rkgen pyhr nf guvf vf vagrteny gb svavfuvat gur tnzr?

3.The ending:

Guvf vf gur zbfg qvfnccbvagvat sbe zr, gung lbh qvqa'g yvxr gur raqvat.
Va gur svefg eryrnfr V unq srrqonpx gung vg jnf n yvggyr rnfl naq gur raqvat jnf n ovg bs n yrgqbja.
Fb, V qrpvqrq gb nqq bar ynfg crevybhf zbzrag.

Gurfr ner zl gubhtugf:
Jura lbh xvyy gur Pb-beqvangbe, na nynez fbhaqf....
Ba lbhe jnl bhg bs gur bcrengvat gurnger naq qbja gur pbeevqbe, lbh fubhyq abgvpr gung Jbyss unf qvfnccrnerq...
Jura lbh ragre gur phovpyr pbageby ebbz lbh trg n zrffntr "Lbh urne n abvfr arkg qbbe."

V gubhtug gurfr fubhyq or rabhtu gb chg lbh ba rqtr naq znxr lbh orunir pnershyyl...

Fgnlvat jvgu zl genva bs gubhtug:
Orvat pnershy, lbh tb gb purpx ba gur phovpyr, bayl gb svaq Jbyss jnvgvat sbe lbh.
Vs lbh gnyx gb uvz ur rapbhentrf lbh gb trg va gur phovpyr naq yrnir.
Vg vf jbeqrq gb pyhr lbh gung vg vf n genc.
Sebz rkcrevrapr cynlvat FVTZN naq NYCUN lbh fubhyq nyernql xabj gung ragrevat gur phovpyr jura n fpranevb unf abg orra frg, fraqf lbh fcvaavat bss gb vasvavgl..
Fb, ng guvf cbvag, guebj gur fpnycry ng Jbyss. Ur fghzoyrf vagb gur phovpyr naq qvfnccrnef vagb vasvavgl!
N cbrgvp raqvat (va zl zvaq!)
Gura lbh pna frg lbhe qrfgvangvba naq juvmm bss vagb gur arkg puncgre.

Problems with the ending:
Fb, gur ceboyrz lbh rapbhagrerq vf vs lbh frg lbhe qrfgvangvba orsber tbvat gb gur phovpyr ebbz naq rapbhagrevat Jbyss, guvf vf abj va snpg nabgure hajvaanoyr fgngr!
Frrvat nf lbh pnaabg "ha-frg" lbhe qrfgvangvba, V jvyy unir gb guvax nobhg guvf.
Jung nobhg tvivat lbh n jneavat va gur pbageby ebbz vs lbh gel gb frg n qrfgvangvba?
CERFF PUNEYVR (jura Jbyss vf arkg qbbe).
"Gur abvfr znxrf lbh areibhf. Znlor lbh fubhyq vairfgvtngr vg."
Vs lbh gel ntnva gura vg pbhyq yrg lbh cerff vg - frnyvat lbhe sngr!


Swedelia.

[melchett]

I never said I didn't like the ending Please don't take that from it. Been looking forward to this since the previous one.

Ah I just assumed it worked on a BBC B as RC5 and 6 did work on the BBC B mode on the BeebEm. The last few games I played at Alpha/Beta level and don't think they were packed at all. Sounds like Lurkio is working some serious magic to take it from a Master with Co-Pro to a standard Beeb. Wow.

V guvax V punaprq npebff gung oht (abg ubyqvat Ebob-m) - abeznyyl V cvpx uvz hc ohg V guvax V znqr uvz sbyybj zr sbe n punatr. Vg'f na vzcebirzrag (naq jnl zber znpnoer) gung lbh jnvg sbe uvz gb rkcnaq va fvmr engure guna znxr uvz sver (nf V qvq va EP5). Tvirf n frpbaq checbfr sbe fuevaxvat uvz.

1. "Vs lbh fuevax gur pyrnenapr pneq" ---> unqa'g gevrq gung - terng pbafrdhrapr!
"Vs lbh ragre bar bs gurfr fgngrf lbh jvyy or qenttrq bss ol n thneq va n srj zbirf." ---> V unq abgvprq gung vs lbh yrg Ebob-M rkcnaq ba EP7

V ybirq gur serrqbz va gur tnzr gb obgu sver ng guvatf naq fuevax guvatf. Abeznyyl va na nqiragher lbh'er pbafgenvarq ohg V pbhyq qrfgebl zbfg guvatf juvpu nf uvtuyl fngvfslvat.

2. "V jnf n yvggyr fhecevfrq lbh unq qvssvphygl svaqvat gur phovpyr ebbz."

Lbhe qrfpevcgvba naq va uvaqfvtug vg vf ybtvpny. V guvax gung va zl urnq V arire nffbpvngrq gur abgvpr obneq jvgu unatvat bire n jnyy OHG gur ovttre pyhr ybbxvat onpx vf gur pncgvnyvfrq RNFG. V qba'g guvax lbh arrq punatr vg. Zbqrea yvsr qvfgenpgvbaf qba'g uryc. Vg'f pyrne.

3. Lbhe genva bs gubhtug vf n fbhaq naq V yvxrq Jbyss orvat gurer - zl rkcrpgngvba jnf gung V'q whfg jbaqre fgenvtug vagb gur phovpyr naq vg jnf tbbq gb trg bar svany chmmyr gb fbyir. V guvax zl cebterffvba nf n cynlre jnf "sbhaq n pbafbyr, zhfg fryrpg fpranevb, zbir rnfg bu gurer'f jbyss, ur jba'g yrg zr ol ubj qb V erzbir uvz? Purrfr Fnaqjvpu, Wnpxrg be Fpnycry" Gung jnf zl svefg rapbhagre jvgu uvz va gurer. Naq gung'f gur fpranevb V fcrag gvzr ba. Vg jnfa'g hagvy yngre gung V jrag onpx naq ena guebhtu vg naq gevrq fbzrguvat qvssrerag naq abgvprq gung uvf ernpgvba jnf qvssrerag naq pbzcyrgrq vg. Ohg znlor gung'f cneg bs gur erdhverq qvfpbirel. Ol gura zl urnq jnf frg ng "vs V guebj gur fpnycry, ur'yy xvyy zr" pbafrdhrapr. Cebonoyl jbegu nfxvat gur bgure grfgref sbe n ivrj - V QVQ jbex vg bhg gubhtu.

4. Vg vf va na hajvaanoyr fgngr ubjrire lbh qb qvr vs lbh yrnir gung ebbz (juvpu vf n tbbq guvat nf vg znxrf lbh ernyvfr lbh zvffrq fbzrguvat). Fb V qba'g guvax vg arrqf n erfrg ohggba naq gung jbhyqa'g zngpu gur cerivbhf fpranevbf. Znlor jura lbh cerff n ohggba, lbh urne n shegure abvfr arkg qbbe? N pyhr gung fbzrguvat va Jbyss punatrq fgngr? V'z unccl jvgu vg nf vf gubhtu, V qvq jbex vg bhg nyorvg ol gevny naq reebe. Jbyss qbrf arrq gb nccrne gurer ng gur raq bs gur tnzr.

And I'm enjoying living through these being created (and being able to converse with the author).

Thank you again Lee,

Andy

[leenew]

Hi Melchett,
I have decided to leave the bit that you had difficulty finding... exactly as it is
As you said (paraphrasing) it doesn't need any more clues.
But, I have had second thoughts about the ending.
I am tweaking it AGAIN for added drama but *maybe* a little more clarity (or maybe not )

Lee.

[leenew]

Hi,
Re-tweaked the ending again!
Try to clear your mind and get to the end-game.
go through into the control room.
I have re-coloured the warning in red
Then see what you think of the slight tweaks.....

Lee.

[melchett]

I like it - gur erq fgnaqf bhg jura lbh svefg neevir va gur ebbz qhevat gur raq tnzr. Naq V yvxr jung unccraf jura lbh guebj gur fpnycry vs lbh unir nyrnql cerffrq n ohggba. Thank you!

[leenew]

Lbh ner jrypbzr!

Onwards to the final chapter...

Lee.

[leenew]

Thank you to all my testers.
I have updated the FINAL version to the first post.
I hope nobody minds, but I am reserving the biggest thank you for Lurkio.
He has done some amazing work over the development of this game.
As written, it just did not fit in a standard beeb, which I had decided was important to me.
Lurkio has worked some logical gymnastics on my code, compacting it smaller and smaller.
It has nearly driven him over the edge, but the program is now beeb friendly and behaves identically to my original code.
Thank you!

Lee.